Meeting Venue:
Hybrid: Committee room 4 Tŷ Hywel
and video Conference via Zoom
Meeting date: Wednesday, 11 October 2023
Meeting time: 09.30 - 12.30
This meeting can
be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/13498
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Names |
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Members of the Senedd: |
Llyr Gruffydd MS (Chair) Janet Finch-Saunders MS Huw Irranca-Davies MS Delyth Jewell MS Jenny Rathbone MS Joyce Watson MS |
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Witnesses: |
Lee Waters MS, Deputy Minister for Climate Change Helen Rowley, Welsh Government |
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Committee Staff: |
Marc Wyn Jones (Clerk) Elizabeth Wilkinson (Second Clerk) Lukas Evans Santos (Deputy Clerk) Stephen Davies (Legal Adviser) Samiwel Davies (Legal Adviser) |
1 Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest
1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.
1.2 In accordance with Standing Order 17.24A, Huw Irranca-Davies MS made a declaration of relevant interest.
2 The Environment (Air Quality and Soundscapes) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings
2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:
Amendment 19 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 66 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 66 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 67 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 67 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 1 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 20 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 20 was not agreed. |
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As amendment 20 was not agreed, amendments 21, 23, 24, 25, 30, 32, 35, 36, 37 and 38 fell.
Amendment 68 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 68 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 69 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 69 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 22 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 22 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 85 (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 26 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 27 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 28 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 28 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 29 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 29 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 2 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 31 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 31 was not agreed. |
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As amendment 20 was not agreed, amendment 32 fell.
Amendment 33 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 33 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 34 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 34 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 86 (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 70 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 70 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 71 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 71 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 39 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 39 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 3A (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 3 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 4 (Lee Waters MS)
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In Favour |
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Abstain |
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 4 was agreed. |
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Amendment 40 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was withdrawn.
Amendment 72 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 72 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 73 (Delyth Jewell MS) was not moved.
Amendment 18 (Lee Waters MS) was not moved.
Amendment 41 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.
Amendment 5 (Lee Waters MS)
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Abstain |
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 5 was agreed. |
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Amendment 42 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 42 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 74 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 74 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 75 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 75 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 43 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
Delyth Jewell |
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Jenny Rathbone |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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Joyce Watson |
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Amendment 43 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 44 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 44 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 76 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 76 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 45 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 45 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 46 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 46 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 47 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 77 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Amendment 77 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 6 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 7 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 8 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
As amendment 9 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i), amendments 48 and 60 fell.
Amendment 78 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 78 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 59 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.
Amendment 14 (Lee Waters MS)
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Abstain |
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 14 was agreed. |
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Amendment 15 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 16 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 17 (Lee Waters MS)
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 17 was agreed. |
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Amendment 49 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 49 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 79 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 79 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 62 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 62 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 61 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 61 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 82 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Delyth Jewell |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Amendment 82 was not agreed. |
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As amendment 82 was not agreed, amendment 83 and 84 fell.
Amendment 50 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 50 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 51 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 51 was not agreed. |
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As amendment 51 was not agreed, amendment 57 fell.
Amendment 80 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 80 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 52 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
Delyth Jewell |
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Jenny Rathbone |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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Joyce Watson |
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Amendment 52 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 53 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 53 was not agreed. |
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As amendment 53 was not agreed, amendment 58 fell.
Amendment 54 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 54 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 55 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 56 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 10 (Lee Waters MS)
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Abstain |
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 10 was agreed. |
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Amendment 63 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was not moved.
Amendment 64 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was not moved.
Amendment 11 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 12 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 13 (Lee Waters MS)
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Abstain |
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Huw Irranca-Davies |
Janet Finch-Saunders |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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Joyce Watson |
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Delyth Jewell |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Amendment 13 was agreed. |
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Amendment 81 (Delyth Jewell MS)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Janet Finch-Saunders |
Huw Irranca-Davies |
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Delyth Jewell |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 81 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 65 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was not moved.
3 Papers to note
3.1 The papers were noted.
3.1 The Environmental Protection (Single-use Plastic Products) (Wales) Act 2023
3.2 Draft Budget 2024-25
3.3 Impact of the UK Government’s announcement on net zero policies on the delivery of Wales’ climate change commitments
3.4 The Official Controls (Plant Health) (Prior Notification) and Phytosanitary Conditions (Amendment) Regulations 2023
3.5 The Palma Protocol
3.6 Cable Ploughing Electricity Transmission Lines
3.7 Inter-Institutional Relations Agreement
3.8 Infrastructure (Wales) Bill
3.9 Supplementary Legislative Consent Memorandum for the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill